1 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,840 {\an8}Morning, Dad. Um… 2 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,920 {\an8}I have that bad stomach thing again. 3 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,200 {\an8}-Could I have the day off school, please? -Fuck's sake. 4 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:53,840 {\an8}Oh my God. 5 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:00,880 {\an8}God. 6 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,600 {\an8}What's up with you? 7 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,520 {\an8}I don't think apples are good for my stomach acid or something. 8 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:07,920 {\an8}Why do you eat them, then? 9 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,120 {\an8}Well, it's Tracy's idea. Instead of cigs. I'm getting through like six a day. 10 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:13,800 {\an8}Ew, the full bushel. 11 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:15,560 {\an8}-What's a bushel? -It's like the… It's a… 12 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,800 {\an8}-It's kind of what you carry them in-- -Stop. Forget it. 13 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,760 {\an8}Okay. Don't ask me, then. 14 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,040 {\an8}Um… 15 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,720 {\an8}-Do you wanna hear this? -Go on. 16 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,720 {\an8}Morning, Dad. Um… 17 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,120 {\an8}I have that bad stomach thing again. 18 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,560 {\an8}-This guy. -What time is it? 6:00 a.m., that. 19 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,480 {\an8}Commitment. Don't wanna go, does he? 20 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,720 Yeah, he knows Tracy will say no, and I'm the soft touch. 21 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,680 -What are you gonna reply? -Well, she'll sort it. He'll go. 22 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:45,520 "Know thyself." 23 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,000 Mm-hmm. 24 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,600 -Disgusting. Fucking disgusting. Vile. -I'm so sorry. 25 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,640 - Ugh, I can really smell that. - Sorry. 26 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,960 Bravo Delta 4-0 to Bravo Delta 5-0, are you receiving? 27 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:00,440 Yeah. Go ahead, Jo. 28 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,760 Yeah. Confirming 10-51. Ready to go. Over. 29 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,600 Bravo Delta 5-0 to Bravo Delta 6-0. Are you ready to roll out? 30 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,800 - Yep. Ready. - Received? 31 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,280 -Let's go, Jo. Let's go. -Yep. 32 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:15,400 Yeah. 33 00:02:58,280 --> 00:02:59,280 Go, go. 34 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,800 - Police! On the floor! - What's going on? 35 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,800 - Hands where I can see them! - Eddie! I've got two kids upstairs. 36 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:12,240 Against the wall! 37 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,040 I haven't done anything. 38 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,000 You've got the wrong house, I'm telling ya. 39 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,440 You're making a mistake. Where you going? 40 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,800 What's going on? Why have you got guns? 41 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,400 Police! Suspect found! Show me your hands! Hands in the air! 42 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,840 - Get your hands in the fucking air! - Calm down, Mr. Miller. 43 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:32,280 - Dad! - Down on your knees! 44 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,400 - Dad! - My name is D.I. Bascombe. 45 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,720 I have a warrant to search your premises. Where's your son? 46 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,720 -Where's your son? -He's in his bedroom! 47 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,800 -What do you need me boy for? -Where is he? 48 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,960 - Mum! - He's only a kid, mate! 49 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:47,320 - You've got the wrong house! - Okay. Jamie Miller. 50 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,640 The time is 6:15 a.m., 51 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,600 and I'm arresting you on suspicion of murder. 52 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,280 - You do not have to say-- - Hey! He hasn't done anything! 53 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,120 - Mr. Miller! - You're making a mistake! 54 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,400 I will arrest you for obstruction. Please stop. Please. 55 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,240 I'm arresting you on suspicion of murder. 56 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,400 You don't have to say anything, but it may harm your defense if you… 57 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:08,880 Dad, I haven't done anything! 58 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:10,160 …mention something you rely on. 59 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:11,920 Anything you say may be given in evidence. 60 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,320 - Dad! - You understand? 61 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:14,640 -Do you understand? -Dad! 62 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,520 - Tell him you understand, Jay! - Do you understand? 63 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,640 - All right, I understand. - Okay, good. 64 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,800 - What are they doing? - Get up slowly. 65 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,360 Have you got anything in your pockets that may harm me or you? 66 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,200 - No. - Okay. 67 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:29,920 Do you want to change your trousers? 68 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:31,600 Oh. 69 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:32,880 - Yeah. - Yeah. 70 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,160 -Want me to get your dad? -Yes, please. 71 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:36,440 Don't move. 72 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,480 - Stand down, please. Stand down. - Stand down. 73 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,600 Mr. Miller, come. He's had an accident. 74 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,560 - Hey? - You need to help him, please. 75 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,200 - You're okay, love. Jay? - Coming through. 76 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:50,800 My kids are gonna be scared. I need to see me kids and me husband. 77 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,840 - The parents' room? - Yeah. 78 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,720 How are we doing, Mr. Miller? You need to be quick, please. Thank you. 79 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,320 How are we doing? Are we good? Let's go. Let's go. 80 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,640 Don't need your trainers. I've got slippers. 81 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,680 -We'll get you in the van. -Can I come with ya? 82 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,200 You're gonna have to wait until we leave. You can follow after. 83 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:16,120 Go get your mum. You're okay. Go get your mum. 84 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,360 -Excuse me, love. What are you doing? -I'm searching for evidence. 85 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,040 What? That's our dirty washing. 86 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,120 There's nothing in there, love! Nothing in there, I'm telling ya! 87 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:25,880 Oi! 88 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,280 - He's not going on his own! - What are youse doing? 89 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,640 What are you… You're wrecking me house! 90 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,240 What are you looking for? Just let me know what you're looking for! 91 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,000 Heya! For fuck's sake. 92 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,360 - Eddie! - Please. What's going on? 93 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,560 -Stop it. -Listen. I'm explaining to your wife. 94 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,800 Your son, he's been arrested on suspicion of murder. 95 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,240 - He couldn't! - We've taken him to the station. 96 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:48,640 You can follow. On Heywood Street. 97 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,600 -Know where that is? -I do. Round the corner. 98 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,160 You might be entitled to compensation for mess we've caused you. 99 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,360 -Fill this in. -You've bashed the bleeding door in. 100 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,960 - Fill it in. - Why do you need guns for a 13-year-old? 101 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,000 - He's 13! - Understand what I've said? 102 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,480 Of course. Do you understand? There's no way he's done this. 103 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,440 -We'll see you there. -He's had guns in his face and everything! 104 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,840 - I hope youse are happy with yourselves. - Dad! 105 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:09,840 - He's a kid! He's my son! - No! 106 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,720 - It's all right. Don't worry, son. - Dad! 107 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:17,280 Jay! Jay! Jay, me and your mum are gonna follow, okay? 108 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,200 Jay, don't say nothing. Okay? 109 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:21,720 Jay! 110 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,400 - Let's go. - You'll be okay, son. Yeah? 111 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,040 - Fucking ridiculous! - Come on. 112 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:27,120 Dad! 113 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,320 - Thirteen years of age! - Dad! 114 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:35,760 This is Bravo Delta 5-0. 115 00:06:35,840 --> 00:06:37,640 Yeah. Go ahead, Bravo Delta 5-0. 116 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,240 Yeah, 10-95. All okay and cooperative, okay? 117 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:45,480 Understood. 118 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:49,720 I want my dad. 119 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,480 Jamie. 120 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:08,120 Jamie, I know it's hard, but you need to calm down, okay? 121 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,120 - Just calm yourself down, mate. - I want Dad here. 122 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,480 I haven't done anything. I haven't-- 123 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,240 - Hey. - I've not done nothing. 124 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,000 We'll get into that when we get to the station, okay? 125 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,960 This is not the place to be speaking about anything like that, all right? 126 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,520 Save all of this for when we get there. Don't say another word. 127 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,800 I'm gonna suggest something. When asked, you ask for a solicitor, okay? 128 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,320 And you can speak to your parents about it when you get to the station. 129 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,960 - Mm-hmm. - It won't make you seem more guilty. 130 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,000 It's just for your best interests, all right? 131 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:12,360 Jamie, this is Derek. 132 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,920 Derek will be your appropriate adult for the purpose of this arrest, all right? 133 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,080 Hi, Jamie. 134 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,520 I'm from Doncaster Social Services, all right? 135 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,760 The custody sergeant is gonna ask you 136 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,680 whether you want to keep Derek on, or whether you want someone else. 137 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,000 You can even have one of your parents. 138 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,520 It'll just be for your searches, bloods, 139 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,720 any time you're talking to your solicitor, that sort of thing, okay? 140 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:38,000 It won't prejudice your case, whatever you decide, mate. All right? 141 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:42,960 I… 142 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:45,880 Okay, Jamie. 143 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,680 - I don't even know-- - Hey. That's enough. 144 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,320 -That's enough. -Just wait. 145 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,480 It's for your own benefit. Okay? 146 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,800 Let's go. 147 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:37,320 Custody desk. 148 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,440 -Yeah, D.I. Bascombe. One in custody. -Okay. 149 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:44,520 Inside, please. 150 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,000 Okay. Just stand there. 151 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,080 - Ah, thank you. - You all right? 152 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,080 Just over there on that stop mark, Jamie. Let's go, please. 153 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,400 Sarge, this is Jamie Miller. 154 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,280 He's 13 years old. He's been arrested on suspicion of murder. 155 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,680 Okay, Jamie. Can I have your full name, please, son? 156 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,640 - I didn't do it. - That's not to do with me. 157 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,200 Just try and answer my questions, please, son. 158 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,320 It's Jamie Edward Miller. 159 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,400 And have you had your rights explained to you, Jamie? 160 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:42,760 What? 161 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,440 Did the officer explain that you don't need to speak, 162 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,640 but anything you do say may be given in evidence? Yeah? 163 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:50,880 - Yeah. - Okay. 164 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:52,880 And will you be wanting a solicitor? 165 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,040 - Yeah. - Okay. 166 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,600 And do you have a solicitor, or do you want the station to provide one? 167 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,000 I don't know. I don't think so. Can you ask my dad, please? 168 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,320 Yeah. So because you're a juvenile, 169 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,640 you need to be supported by an appropriate adult. 170 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,160 Now, would you like that to be one of your parents? 171 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,120 -Or would you like that to be Derek? -I'd like my dad, please. 172 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:15,880 You sure? You can have a think. 173 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:16,880 I want my dad, please. 174 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,640 Okay. Next business, son. Are you fit and well? 175 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,000 What? 176 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,200 Are you currently taking any medication for anything, Jamie? 177 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:27,120 No. 178 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,880 Okay. And have you got any long-term medical conditions, 179 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,880 such as asthma or any kind of serious allergies? 180 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:34,160 No. 181 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:39,000 Okay. And have you ever tried to take your own life or self-harmed? 182 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,080 No. 183 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,560 - Have you had your breakfast, son? - No. 184 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,720 Okay. I am, at 6:31, authorizing your detention 185 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,600 so that the officers can preserve evidence by questioning you 186 00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:54,040 about the offense you are suspected of. 187 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,480 You can be held at this police station for 24 hours. 188 00:12:57,560 --> 00:12:59,240 Your detention here will be reviewed 189 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,040 by an independent inspector on a regular basis, 190 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,000 so that you, your solicitor, or your appropriate adult 191 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,840 can make representations about your detention at that review. 192 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:10,640 Have you understood all that, son? 193 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,480 - Yeah. - Okay. Good lad. 194 00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:16,280 Right, let's get you to a cell. 195 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,080 It'll just be you in there. Then we can fetch you some breakfast. 196 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,000 I think we've got some cornflakes. Is that okay, Jamie? 197 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:23,920 You okay? We're here now. 198 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,360 - We're here. - We're here. 199 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,040 Can… Can I go to them? 200 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,200 Jamie, we need to process you here, okay? 201 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,920 The sooner we do this, the sooner we can bring your dad in. 202 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,680 All right, lad? Are cornflakes all right for you, Jamie? 203 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,480 Just pay attention, Jamie. You're doing well, son. 204 00:13:40,560 --> 00:13:43,000 This bit's nearly over now. You're doing really well. 205 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,640 Cornflakes are okay? 206 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:46,640 - Yeah. - Okay. 207 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,680 Once you've had your breakfast, Jamie, a nurse will be brought in, 208 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,680 then if she thinks you're okay, 209 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,960 you'll be taken to have some photos and samples taken, okay? 210 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,120 Then your lawyer'll be brought to you. All right, son? 211 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,440 - Yeah. - Okay. Good lad. 212 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,000 Right, P.C. Grogan. It's cell number six, please. 213 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,800 Right. Okay, if you want to just follow me. 214 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,760 Hey! 215 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,280 You'd better open this fucking door! 216 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,800 Denzel! Fucking… It's you or me! 217 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,320 You fucking with me?! 218 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:32,840 Okay, then, Jamie. 219 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,280 This is what we call a dry cell. 220 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,200 If you need the toilet, you're gonna have to ask. All right? 221 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:41,800 Okay. 222 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,320 Fucking course you are! 223 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,920 Stop looking at me! Shut up! Let's have ya! 224 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,400 All right? 225 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,800 Takes a while to review things before we can do anything. 226 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,400 Yeah, but you only have about four hours… 227 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,440 Thing is, imagine if-- 228 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:23,000 -I know, love. -Mr. and Mrs. Miller, how's it going? 229 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:24,960 Brilliant, yeah. 230 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,760 Look, I understand this must be a hard time for you. 231 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,720 I've got a few questions I need to ask if that's okay. 232 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:36,880 Um, well, Jamie has asked for a solicitor. Is there a family one that you guys have? 233 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:38,680 -No. Not at all, no. -No. 234 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,000 Okay, well, we can provide one. 235 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,160 Um, we have a duty solicitor here that we can call. 236 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,240 - What, is that one of yours, is it, yeah? - They don't work for us. 237 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,960 It's their duty to protect your son's best interests, but… 238 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,040 It's a service that we have here free of charge if asked for. 239 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,640 Yeah, but free normally means no good, though, don't it? 240 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,000 Mr. Miller, look, I completely understand your concerns, 241 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,600 but in my experience, they're very competent solicitors, 242 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,440 so… it's up to you. 243 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:06,480 - Okay. - Yeah. 244 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,440 - Okay. - Thank you. 245 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,960 - You all right, Mrs. Miller? - No. 246 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,600 How can you behave like that and come here and behave like this? 247 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,600 How does that work, eh? 248 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,040 Your men threw me on the floor, threw my daughter on the floor. 249 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,080 -I'm okay. -I hope they didn't do that. 250 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,240 I hope they told you to get on the floor for your safety and for theirs. 251 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:27,320 And if they didn't, 252 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,000 you are well within your rights to make a complaint, okay? 253 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,080 -Would you like me to get someone? -That is what they did, Mum. 254 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,520 - Okay. - Okay. 255 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:37,040 All right? 256 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,640 Last thing, um… we do have someone suitable 257 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,880 if you're unable to do it, but Jamie has asked 258 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,640 whether you'll be his, um, appropriate adult. 259 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:47,280 What's that? 260 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:51,120 You'll be in his interviews with him, any bloods taken by the nurse. 261 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:52,800 That sort of stuff. 262 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,600 -How do you feel about that? -Okay, yeah. Yeah, all right. 263 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:58,640 Why did he pick you? 264 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,560 - He's not good with needles. He won't-- - Okay. He'll be fine. 265 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,360 - It's all right. - He'll be fine. 266 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,280 Mr. Miller, I have to say this. 267 00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:11,120 If your son has admitted to you anything regarding this case 268 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,240 or any of the events leading up to this case, you can't do this job. 269 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,640 - He hasn't said anything. - It could jeopardize his case, okay? 270 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,360 And I told you, you've got it wrong, mate. He hasn't done anything. 271 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,960 He's said nothing to us. He's done nothing. 272 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:24,320 Okay. 273 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,760 All right, look, um, there's a coffee machine there. 274 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,480 Nurse is gonna be a while, all right? 275 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,520 Someone will come through and see you soon. 276 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,040 It's drinkable. Help yourself. 277 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,120 - I'll see you soon. - Thank you. 278 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,120 - Do you want a coffee, love? - No, thanks. 279 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,240 Well, don't be letting everyone know what's happening. 280 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,480 We haven't even got a clue ourselves yet, love. 281 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,240 I'm texting Susie to make sure our house is okay. 282 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,320 We haven't got a door anymore, if you remember. 283 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,600 Yeah, look, maybe… maybe you should go home, eh? 284 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,120 Yeah, you should. 285 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,640 Well, what would I do there? I'm not… I'm not going. I'm not. I'm not… 286 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,200 Well, tell her not to clean anything up, okay? 287 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,560 Tell her to take loads of photos so we can fill that form thing in. 288 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:25,760 Okay, good idea. 289 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,240 Mum, what's gonna happen? 290 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,400 It's all right, love. It's just a mistake. 291 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,480 You see it on the telly all the time. It's just a mistake. 292 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,480 She said they were charging him with murder. 293 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,880 - Well, he hasn't done anything. - Of course he hasn't. 294 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,440 -He can't have. Of course he hasn't. -They've made a mistake. 295 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,600 Of course they have. Yeah. Yeah. We know he has. 296 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,120 Ah, excuse me, love. Excuse me. You were at our house, weren't you? 297 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,320 -Yeah. -Can you tell me when we can see me son? 298 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,040 Not long, Mr. Miller, all right? 299 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:06,640 -Morning, Sarge. -All right? 300 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,040 - Yeah, you? - Yeah. 301 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,240 - Morning, Carol. - Morning. 302 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,960 - You all right. - Yeah. All right? 303 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:24,320 Hi, guys. 304 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,920 -Morning, everyone. -Morning. 305 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,640 Ooh, fucking hell, how much do you want a cigarette right now? 306 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,080 - Don't start me off, mate. - Fuck. 307 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,000 Have you had anything from upstairs yet? 308 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,000 Ah, just comms, wanting to know what to release and when. 309 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,760 - Nothing from the DCI. - Mm-hmm. 310 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:46,440 You worried about the dad? 311 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:48,920 - The dad? - Mm. 312 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,080 No, I'm not worried about the dad. Why? What are you saying? 313 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:53,360 I don't know. 314 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:55,960 I had this old case once, right? 315 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,720 Young boy. 316 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:00,600 Put it this way. 317 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,200 It took us months before we realized what the dad was doing to him, so… 318 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,680 - I don't see it. I don't. - No, you're right. 319 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:09,800 You're right. 320 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,000 God. 321 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,240 Forensics. What are we saying? What have we got? 322 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,080 Do you think they'll have an answer already? 323 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,680 They should have been through a chunk of the house. Shoes? Possible weapon? 324 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,240 I'll check in with them. 325 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,320 What about Bruntwood? They sent over the files? 326 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,400 I don't think anyone's been in the school yet. It's early, innit? 327 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,720 - Can we get into his phone? - Nope, it's locked. 328 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,440 - Can we ask him for a code? - Not till after assessment. 329 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,400 - And she's late. Yeah. - She is, yeah. 330 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,160 - You wanna go through the plan again? - I mean, we could. 331 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,240 - But honestly, I think we're good, mate. - All right. I get it. 332 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,200 - Go and have a nap. - I'm going to have a walk. See you later. 333 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,320 -Sir, I'm just going through the PER form. -Okay. 334 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,160 Post charges, he's underage, so the council are gonna have to decide 335 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,800 which accommodation they can move him to. 336 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,000 Oh, hello. Nice of you to join us. 337 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,720 Are you fucking joking me? Do you know what time it is? Knob. 338 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,680 - Evan, I don't know what you're asking me. - I'm asking for a risk assessment. 339 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,560 He's been accused of murdering someone with a kitchen knife. 340 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,160 So where are we gonna put him? 341 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,680 Cross that bridge when we come to it, won't we? Yeah? 342 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,560 - Yeah, okay. Yeah, sound. - Okay, cool. 343 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:27,400 Oh God. 344 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,080 Yeah. Good time or bad time? 345 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,680 Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry, I know it's early. 346 00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:01,800 Shower, yeah? Okay. 347 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,200 Anyway, did Adam go in? 348 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:08,680 I mean, is he going in? 349 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,040 Mm. Keeps on texting me. 350 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,800 And I told Misha he only texts me 'cause he knows I'm the soft touch. 351 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,280 Yeah, she sure did. 352 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,400 Anyway, I just… just thought I'd call and say hi. 353 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:29,920 Yeah, I'm all right. 354 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,680 Listen, I'd better go, all right? 355 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,360 You too. I'll see you later. Bye. 356 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,480 - Sir. - Good, good. 357 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:42,400 Yeah. 358 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,040 Allergic to penicillin… 359 00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:03,920 -Sorry. -That's all right. Thank you. 360 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,280 Sorry. Cheers. 361 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:08,360 Okay, Jamie, just a few more questions, then, if that's okay. 362 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,920 Can you explain to me what being under arrest means? 363 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:14,960 It means being here. 364 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,720 Can you have another go at that? 365 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,000 Answer the question, lad. 366 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,160 It means the police think I've done something. 367 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,520 They'll have me locked up until they know whether I have. 368 00:23:28,360 --> 00:23:29,680 That's a good answer. 369 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,680 And can you explain why you might need a lawyer? 370 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,520 So… so I don't get trapped saying the wrong thing. 371 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,120 Also a good answer. 372 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,560 Okay, Jamie, well, I think you're a bright boy. 373 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,960 I don't see a vulnerability the police need to be aware of. 374 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,640 Have you got any questions for me? 375 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,200 Um… 376 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,280 No, I… I don't think so. 377 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,000 Is that a bad thing? 378 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,680 No, you're fine. I'll give you a minute. 379 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,160 - Ta. - Okay. 380 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,480 Eat your cornies, son. 381 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:08,760 I don't want 'em. 382 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,840 Come on, eat the cornflakes. You need to eat something. 383 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,640 I haven't… I haven't done anything. I just… 384 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,320 I just wanna… I just wanna go home. I've not done anything. 385 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,080 Do you believe me that I've… that I've not done anything? 386 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,600 Of course I believe you. 387 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,400 You're my son, aren't ya? 388 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:55,480 Hey? 389 00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:59,360 Sorry, Mr. Miller. 390 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,640 I'm gonna have to ask you to leave if that's okay. 391 00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:03,200 Sorry. 392 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,360 - Eat your cornflakes. - Yeah. 393 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,400 Eat your cornies, son. You need to keep your strength up, yeah? 394 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,800 Mr. Miller, I'll take you back to the family room. 395 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:17,960 Dad! 396 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,880 How long are we gonna be here, mate? 397 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,120 I can't answer any questions now, unfortunately. 398 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,240 Any idea? 399 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,480 Mate… 400 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,000 He's a bright boy, you know. 401 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,760 Right. No current medication. No relevant medical history. 402 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:42,480 - I hate juvenile cases, me. - No one likes 'em. 403 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:44,560 Morning, Sergeant. 404 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,560 - Morning. - Jamie Miller. 405 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:47,880 Ah, right, okay. 406 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,720 Parents are in the family room, and the lad's in the cell, 407 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,320 so I'm guessing parents first, yeah? 408 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,080 - Yes. - Know where you're going? 409 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,720 - Yes, I do. - Okay. 410 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,680 - Morning. Mind buzzing me through? - Yeah, of course. 411 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,280 - There you are. - Thank you. 412 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,640 - I see you on the phone. - Sorry to disturb. Mr. and Mrs. Miller? 413 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,160 Um, my name's Paul Barlow. I'm from Storey and French. 414 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,600 -I've been allocated Jamie's case. -All right. 415 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,440 -Um… -Can you tell us what's going on? 416 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,080 Yeah, do you wanna take a seat, and we'll run through a few things. 417 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,480 Um… 418 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,720 So, the way this works is, um, 419 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,240 I'll be briefed by the arresting officers as to the particulars of the case, 420 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,480 and I'll also catch up with what's been going on 421 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,680 since Jamie's arrest, okay? 422 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,800 Do you have any complaints as to your treatment so far? 423 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,200 Yeah. They tore the house apart. 424 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,120 They had guns and everything. They smashed the door in. 425 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,600 -Okay. -Wrecked the house. 426 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,280 When a violent death's taken place, that's the name of the game. 427 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:47,440 The question is, whether or not that was proportionate. 428 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,040 We'll look at that later. 429 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,000 Okay, but more importantly, how's Jamie doing? 430 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,680 He's… he asked me to be his thing. What was it called? 431 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,040 Appropriate adult. 432 00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:58,800 -Appropriate adult. -Yeah, it's good. 433 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,520 It's generally better he has a parent in there with him. 434 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,120 You can keep him calm while we work this out. 435 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,320 He's, uh… 436 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:09,360 I've just seen him. 437 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,440 To be honest with you, he's not looking too good. 438 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,000 Right. I don't blame him. Neither would I. 439 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,600 Um, to be honest, there's not much I can say right now 440 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,600 that will make this situation any better. 441 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,720 Um, I can see the shock that's happened here, 442 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,320 and it's totally understandable. 443 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,680 But we'll do our best here for you, okay? 444 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,600 I'm gonna get myself briefed, if you can hang tight for me. 445 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,040 Someone will be along with you shortly, okay? Okay. 446 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:34,240 - Thank you. - No. 447 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,160 Cheers, mate. 448 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,640 - Of course. - Thank you. 449 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:41,240 It's all right. 450 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,240 - Sorry. - It's all right. All right. 451 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:48,640 Thanks again. 452 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,920 -Am I… -Should be all the way down. 453 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,040 - Is it the usual room? Yeah. - Yes. 454 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,160 -After you. -Thanking you. 455 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,480 Good morning. 456 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:22,880 -Good morning. -Paul. 457 00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:26,040 - For you. - Thank you. 458 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,840 Okay. So, what have we got? 459 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:34,320 Incident took place at 10:13 p.m. last night. 460 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,400 Arrest… approximately 25 minutes ago. 461 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,960 Well, that's my personal record broken, then. 462 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,160 - Heard you made a mess of the house. - Yeah, sorry about that. 463 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,080 Okay. Murder. So I'm assuming you're going after possession and threatening as well? 464 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,000 Yep. 465 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,600 - Can I know anything about the victim? - You will do. 466 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:57,720 Okay. 467 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,040 Is it a media blackout, is it? Because I couldn't see anything-- 468 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,320 We're still looking for the relatives, their dad. 469 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,080 Okay. Okay. 470 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,040 -Has he been told his right to silence? -Yes. 471 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,240 -Is he clear on what that means? -Yes. 472 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,360 -Has he been fed? -He's had the opportunity to eat. 473 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,400 - Assessed? - Yep, she passed him fit. 474 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,400 - Searched? - Waited for you. 475 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,200 -Good to hear. I see you're taking blood. -Yeah, scratches on his arm. 476 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,360 Blood at the scene. It's not without justification. 477 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,120 - Wasn't questioning that. - Okay. 478 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,600 And what investigation has taken place otherwise? 479 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,720 - Nothing with the suspect. - Anything else I need to know? 480 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,720 Nothing that we're gonna tell you now. 481 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,960 - Where was the victim pronounced? - At the scene. 482 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,480 Multiple wounds. It's in there. 483 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,160 And his father's his appropriate adult? 484 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:48,280 Correct. 485 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,880 -Is he okay? -Think so. 486 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,080 -And how's Jamie around him? -Don't know. 487 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:54,240 Fine. 488 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,160 - Ready for samples. - Sarge. 489 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,800 -Is that all I'm getting? -Yep. That's all you're gonna get. 490 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,640 Okay. Samples first, but then a chat. 491 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,720 -I wanna have a look at this kid first. -Paul, don't be so excited. 492 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,680 - I'm not excited. - Makes you look like a prick. 493 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,320 - Uh, D.I. Bascombe, one last thing. - What? 494 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,280 -I just need two minutes. -Go on. 495 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,360 Sir, we've got a teacher here from Bruntwood Academy. 496 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:14,960 -I'll be up. -I'll be so quick. 497 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,560 -Well, follow me. -All right. 498 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,520 Can I have Mr. Miller, please? 499 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,080 Hi, sir. We need you in the medical suite. 500 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,320 Just while your son has some samples taken, please. 501 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,720 Right. Um, I'll… I'll be as quick as I can. 502 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,880 Okay. Watch him with the needles, Eddie. 503 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,160 -Please. -Just follow me, sir. 504 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,880 Just wait in here, please, Mr. Miller. Your son will be with you shortly. 505 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,560 - I'll leave you to it. - Yeah. 506 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,280 - It's warm, innit? - Really warm. 507 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,000 -Want me to hang your jacket? -You're all right. Thank you. 508 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:12,120 P.C. Grogan'll be in here, and your dad as well. Okay? 509 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:13,680 Hello, Jamie. 510 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,040 So, what's gonna happen now, we're gonna take some photos, 511 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,480 then we're gonna take some samples, then we're gonna search you, okay? 512 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,640 - Okay. Okay. - Okay. 513 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,560 Let's get you over on this chair here, 514 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,880 facing that camera on the wall just to take some photos. 515 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,360 So there'll be a bit of a flash, all right? 516 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,840 Lovely. And to the side. 517 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,640 And the other side. 518 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,400 Lovely. And that's done. 519 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,240 Jamie, very quickly. My name's, uh, Paul Barlow. 520 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,440 I'm from a solicitor firm called Storey and French. 521 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,080 - I'll be advising you today, okay? - Okay. 522 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,120 Um, we'll talk, but I didn't want you wondering 523 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,800 who this strange man was, all right? 524 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,640 Jamie, can I just get you to stand here for me? 525 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,400 I'm just gonna do a quick mouth swab, if that's okay. 526 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,760 - Yeah. - Sorry. Let me close the door. 527 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,480 Just open wide for me. 528 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:22,560 And the other side. 529 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:26,600 Okay, my love. 530 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,160 All right. Let's get you over here, shall we, for some fingerprints. 531 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,640 So just get you to get your right thumb. 532 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,320 Press on there. There'll be a red light that'll come on. 533 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,240 Thank you. And your index finger. 534 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,480 Lovely. And your middle finger. 535 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,920 Lovely. And your ring finger. 536 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,760 That's right. It's that one there, yeah. 537 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,600 Thank you. And your little finger. 538 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,800 Thank you. Okay. And let's do your other hand. So left thumb. 539 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,520 That's it. Thank you. 540 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,040 Index finger. 541 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:13,920 Yep. 542 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,520 And your middle finger. 543 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,240 Thank you. And your ring finger. 544 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,360 There we are. Thank you. 545 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,680 And then your little finger. Last one, though. 546 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,920 Lovely. Thank you. 547 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,080 Okay, then. 548 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,480 So now, Jamie, we need your passcode 549 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,440 just so we can access your phone, if that's okay? 550 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,000 Uh, there's no need to give them that, Jamie. 551 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:46,080 No. 552 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,920 No. 553 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,040 Okay. Erica. 554 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,920 Yeah, Jamie, do you want to just hop on the bed for me? 555 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,360 I'm just gonna take some bloods, if that's okay. 556 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,800 -I… I don't really like needles. -He's no good with needles, love. 557 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,920 Jamie, I've got to warn you, it may harm your defense if you refuse. 558 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:05,920 Yeah, he's right. 559 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,600 Do you consent to your son giving a specimen, Mr. Miller? 560 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,560 Are you gonna be okay? 561 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,160 I don't know. 562 00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:17,680 You'll be fine. It won't take long. I promise. Be as quick as possible. 563 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:18,640 -Okay. -Yeah? 564 00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:20,080 Yeah, just look at me, lad, yeah? 565 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,280 -Look at your dad. Pop yourself here. -Yeah, just keep looking at me. 566 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,720 - Gonna put this around your arm. - All right. 567 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,680 You're just gonna feel a bit of a squeeze. 568 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,080 Is it… Is it gonna… 569 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,080 Keep looking at your dad. Nice and still for me. 570 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,160 You're just gonna feel a sharp scratch, okay? 571 00:34:51,240 --> 00:34:52,960 -Look at me. -Keep looking at your dad. 572 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,800 Come on. It's all right. 573 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,080 - Nearly there. - It's all right. 574 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,000 Nearly there. Keep looking at your dad. 575 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,440 Oh, is it done? Ow. 576 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:08,600 - Yeah. - There you go. 577 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,320 - There we are. - Good lad. See? 578 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,280 - Brilliant. - Okay. 579 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,080 Keep your finger on that for me just for a couple of minutes. 580 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:18,680 -Sound. -Well done. 581 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,080 Well done. There you go. Sorted. 582 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,280 Okay, then. 583 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,440 I'm gonna have to ask you to take your clothes off. 584 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,400 - What, all of 'em? - I need to conduct a strip search. 585 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,520 - Is that necessary? - Afraid so. 586 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,920 I'm not too sure about this, mate. 587 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,000 There is a chance that he may have concealed things on or around his body. 588 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,680 Look, he… he wet himself earlier on, 589 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,800 so he's changed his undies and his pants and-- 590 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,240 I understand, Mr. Miller. 591 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,200 -No, he changed his jeans and everything. -Mr. Miller, I understand. 592 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,920 But this is a serious offense. 593 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,480 Okay, I've got scratch marks on his left arm. 594 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,080 We need to make sure there's no other cuts or bruises we need to be aware of. 595 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,360 I think this is a bit serious as well, don't you? 596 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,880 How would you have felt if you were 13 and had two men looking at your bits? 597 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,200 - I wasn't accused of a crime. - That's it, mate. Accused. 598 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,440 He hasn't been found guilty. He's been accused. 599 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,720 - Can you not do anything about this? - I'm sorry. 600 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,880 They're entitled to under PACE. 601 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,840 Mr. Miller, I promise I will be very careful. 602 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,560 I don't know you from Adam, mate. 603 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,200 - We need to cooperate with this. - You know? That's my boy, and he's 13. 604 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:27,960 - Like I said, he's 13. - Mr. Miller. 605 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,240 - Passcodes, we can tell them no… - It's procedure, Mr. Miller. 606 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,120 - He's 13. - This is for Jamie's defense. 607 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,640 Dad, it's fine. 608 00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:36,400 - You okay? - I don't mind. 609 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:47,280 So, Jamie, I'll just get you to pop your clothes off for me. 610 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,240 So I need to observe, 611 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,680 and then P.C. Grogan's just going to observe me, all right? 612 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,800 Do you want to pop your clothes on the side there, yeah? 613 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,280 Do you want to turn to face me? All right? 614 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,400 And just lift your arms up for me. 615 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,080 There we are. 616 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,480 You can turn to the side. 617 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,840 Mm. And then face the wall behind you. 618 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,560 Okay. 619 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,400 You can pop your arms down now. 620 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,040 You can turn back to face me one more time. 621 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,880 Okay, and if I can just ask you to lift up your penis. 622 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,520 I need to make sure that there's no defensive wounds on your scrotum. 623 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,000 No. Okay. 624 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,360 All right, then. And that's done. 625 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,760 So gonna ask you to pop these clothes on for me. 626 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,520 And then we'll pop yours just in this bag here. 627 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,880 - Thank you. - What are they for? What are you gonna do? 628 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,080 They'll be used as evidence, Mr. Miller. 629 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,680 - You okay? You all right? - Yeah. 630 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,360 Yeah? You sure? Okay, good lad. 631 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,280 Are we finished in here? 632 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,280 Can I get a room to speak to my client, please? 633 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,960 -Yeah, sure. Next door. Follow me. -Thank you. 634 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,400 - Thank you. - Of course. Yeah. No problem. 635 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,080 - There's chairs. - Thank you. 636 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,760 Jamie, want to pop yourself on the other side of that table? 637 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,280 Dad can sit next to you. 638 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,120 Well, that was, uh… 639 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,680 That's the worst part of that over and done with, I'm glad to say. 640 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,880 I thought you handled it extremely well, Jamie. 641 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,600 Um… 642 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,640 What's your favorite subject in school, Jamie? 643 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,680 -Why does that matter? -Uh, just humor me. 644 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,760 -History. -Why? 645 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:41,960 Uh, I like the stories. 646 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,920 And, um, what's your favorite bit of history? 647 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,520 Um, we're doing the Industrial Revolution. 648 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,800 Oh, are you? All right, okay. Um… 649 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,520 Who do you like who took part in the Industrial Revolution? 650 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,680 Uh, you know… you know Brunel? 651 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,200 Yes. Yes, I do. 652 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,600 -I like him. -Why? 653 00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:09,160 Because he… he did stuff no one else did. 654 00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:12,640 Boats, trains, everything. He just did it. 655 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,080 Yeah, he did. 656 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,080 Smart kid. 657 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,160 Um, I'm not here 658 00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:24,000 to ask you whether or not you did or didn't do it, Jamie. 659 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,160 -I didn't. -He didn't. There's no way he did it. 660 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:27,880 My job, and your dad's job, 661 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,600 is to protect you whatever happened last night, okay? 662 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,040 And the police, they're trying to find out what happened, 663 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:35,760 but they're not here to protect you. 664 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,480 They believe you're guilty of something, and that's why we're here, all right? 665 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,120 So all I want you to do is say, "No comment." 666 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,600 All right? That's it. Just, "No comment." 667 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:47,520 Mm, to everything? 668 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,280 Uh, no, not to everything. That won't go down well. 669 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,040 Uh, just to questions about the events of last night. 670 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,760 All right? Do you think you can decipher between questions you should answer 671 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,720 and questions you shouldn't answer? 672 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,720 Mm, I don't… I dunno. 673 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:07,520 Is your name Jamie? 674 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:09,520 Yeah. 675 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,960 And… where were you last night, Jamie? 676 00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:19,080 -No comment. -That's it. That's it. 677 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:20,880 Whenever you're unsure, 678 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,960 whenever it's 50-50, just say, "No comment." 679 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,840 And if I think you should answer the question, I'll advise you so. 680 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,200 But you're a very bright lad, and I think you'll do absolutely fine. 681 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,840 Um, I'll be in there. Your dad'll be in there. 682 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,040 I won't be afraid to speak upon your behalf. 683 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,880 And your dad can also speak up whenever he chooses. 684 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,040 -All right? -Can I? 685 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,640 Oh, yeah. Of course you can, yeah. Yeah. 686 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,480 I… I… I haven't done anything wrong. 687 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,760 Well, that makes it easy then, doesn't it? 688 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,840 Right, I'm gonna… I'll be back in a second. Um… 689 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,000 I'm just gonna see how they're getting on, setting up for this interview. 690 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,640 If you could sit tight. Try to be patient for me. 691 00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:01,480 I'll be back for you. All right? 692 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,760 Just wait here a minute, lad. Just give me a sec. 693 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,080 - Excuse me, mate. - Yeah? 694 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,120 Look, I haven't got a clue what I'm doing here. 695 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,280 I don't… What do I say? 696 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,960 Just… um, don't answer for him, all right? 697 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,960 Uh… just… uh, just be yourself. 698 00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:22,640 They know you're his dad. We know you're his dad. 699 00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:25,240 It's… it's okay to process. 700 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,280 It's okay to be shocked, and it's okay to be human. 701 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,440 - All right? - Yeah, I mean, this isn't normal. 702 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:32,880 -Do you know what I mean? -No. 703 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,320 -I've never even been in a police station. -You'll be fine. 704 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,200 I just don't want to get it wrong for me lad. Do you know what I mean? 705 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,400 You'll be fine. 706 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:47,720 I'm shitting myself. 707 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,320 -I understand. -He's a… he's a good kid, yeah? 708 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,680 And I'm… I'm a good dad. Do you know what I mean? 709 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,560 He really is. Look, you said yourself. You even said he was bright. 710 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,800 -Yeah, I did. -So… do you understand? 711 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,760 I can see that, but… 712 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,640 Here we are now, and we've this to deal with, okay? 713 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,160 And I think the police have some pretty compelling evidence. 714 00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:14,920 Otherwise, they wouldn't have been able 715 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,160 to ask for blood, to make the entrance that they did. 716 00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:18,840 Now, I don't know what that evidence is, 717 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,120 but I'm pretty sure it's gonna become clear to us very soon. Okay? 718 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,640 So, um, the best thing for you to do is to raise that chin up, 719 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,400 be the good dad, 720 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,000 and, uh, suck it up, okay? 721 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,040 Yeah. 722 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,840 They're shaping up for the interview. I need a minute just to have a look. 723 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,240 Can you sit with him? You all right doing that? 724 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,080 I'll be back for you shortly. 725 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:44,560 Okay. 726 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,040 -All right. -You'll be fine. 727 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,080 -Okay. -All right. 728 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:49,480 Ta. 729 00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:00,680 I'll be outside if you need me. 730 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,080 You okay? 731 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,200 Yeah. 732 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:20,560 Look at me. 733 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:22,440 Look at me. 734 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,360 I'm gonna ask you once. Okay? 735 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,880 And no matter what's happened, no matter what you have or haven't done, 736 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,760 I want you to tell me the truth. 737 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:42,960 Did you do it? 738 00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:48,680 No. 739 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,000 Promise? 740 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,120 I promise. 741 00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:58,560 Good. Okay. 742 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:02,440 Okay, then. 743 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,040 Everything's gonna be all right, then, isn't it? Hey? 744 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,920 Yeah. 745 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,080 - Okay, they're ready. - Yeah, okay. So are we. 746 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,640 - It's okay, Jamie. - Ready? 747 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,360 Come on. Come on. You're all right. Let's go. 748 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:17,880 Um, you okay? 749 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,960 Just before we go in, Jamie, just to go over what we said again. 750 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,560 If you're unsure, just look to me, remember that "no comment," 751 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,640 and, um, your dad'll be by your side all the way through it, all right? 752 00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:30,520 Okay? Okay. 753 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,000 - Hiya. Come on through. - Hello again. 754 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,760 Hey, Jamie. We'll have you sit down there. 755 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,160 Your dad can sit next to you. 756 00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:45,880 Paul, you can pull up that seat over there. 757 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:46,960 Yeah. 758 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,520 To let everyone know, this interview will be recorded, audio and video. 759 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,760 - Is that okay, Jamie? - Yeah. 760 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,360 Okay. I'm gonna start the recording now. 761 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:04,160 Okay. 762 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,840 First of all, I'm gonna start with reminding you of your rights, Jamie. 763 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,240 I want you to listen carefully. 764 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,920 You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defense 765 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,080 if you do not mention when questioned something you later rely on in court. 766 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,640 Anything you do say may be given in evidence. Okay? 767 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:24,320 Yeah. 768 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,240 I am D.I. Bascombe. In attendance is D.S. Frank. 769 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,720 We are talking to Jamie Miller, his appropriate adult, Eddie Miller, 770 00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:32,920 and his solicitor, Paul Barlow. 771 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,320 The time is… 772 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,080 …6:58 a.m. 773 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:40,280 Sit up. 774 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,280 I'm gonna start off with asking you what you did last night, Jamie. 775 00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:47,840 -Last night? -Yeah. 776 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,520 - Jamie. - It wasn't that long ago. 777 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:52,240 No comment. 778 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,480 Okay. What did you do? 779 00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:57,800 No comment. 780 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,360 That's not really helpful, is it, Jamie? 781 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,640 -Sorry. -Okay. No worries. 782 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,040 Let's move on to something we can talk about. 783 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,120 I've been reading your school reports. 784 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:12,600 Why? 785 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,720 I got your teachers to send them over. 786 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:15,760 Mm. 787 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,440 It's looking good. Doing really well. You're a good student. 788 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,400 You wanna take your A-levels? 789 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,000 Um… 790 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,520 You can answer that, Jamie. 791 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,400 I don't know. 792 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:37,160 Okay. They also talk about some… problems with your behavior more recently. 793 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,040 Last year or so. 794 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,360 - Yeah. - Okay. 795 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,600 Well, what are the problems? What are they? 796 00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,080 Uh, I dunno. 797 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,800 -Do you have good friends, Jamie? -Yeah. 798 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,360 Okay. Who are your good friends? 799 00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,600 -No comment. -You won't get them into trouble. 800 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,520 You battered my door down this morning, so I'm not sure you can say that. 801 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:07,760 That's fair. 802 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:09,360 Okay, look. 803 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:14,360 I'm going to ask you about… romantic relationships. 804 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,160 - Sexual relationships. - Why? 805 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:23,720 Well, I noticed on your Instagram that you reposted a picture of this model. 806 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,000 What's her name, Jamie? 807 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,520 I just like her pictures. 808 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,440 - You don't know her name? - No. 809 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,040 Okay. You also posted a picture of this woman. 810 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,360 And this woman. 811 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,920 And below this one, the more recent one, 812 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,280 you can see that there's a series of comments 813 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,720 and innuendos which seem pretty aggressive. 814 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,560 They're from you. How do you feel about women, Jamie? 815 00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,600 - What kind of a question is that? - Are you attracted to women? 816 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:01,640 - Yeah. - Okay. 817 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,480 And are these the type of women you're attracted to? 818 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,280 - Yeah. - Okay. 819 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,320 -Do you have a girlfriend? -No. 820 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,400 If you did, would you want her to look like any of these women? 821 00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:16,680 No, they're… 822 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:18,560 They're too old. 823 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:20,800 That's true. 824 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:26,480 I also see that you, um, posted pics of you and who I think are friends? 825 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,240 Hmm? Where were these pictures taken? 826 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:31,960 Um… 827 00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:34,120 Train station, I think. 828 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,000 Okay. Who are these boys? 829 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,080 I understand you don't want to get them into trouble. I get it. 830 00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,920 But they're not gonna be in trouble, man. It's fine. 831 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,680 I'm just trying to build a picture. 832 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,120 Jamie, it won't be hard for us to find them. 833 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,160 You're a smart lad, aren't you? You can see that. 834 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,080 Go ahead. Tell 'em. 835 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,960 That's Tommy. That's Ryan. 836 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,000 Okay. 837 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,360 - Good friends, yeah? - Yeah. 838 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,360 Hmm. You're in a lot of pics with them. 839 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,520 Only because Tommy tagged me in 'em. 840 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,080 Okay. And is it always you three out together? 841 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,360 -Yeah. I guess so, yeah. -How long have you known them? 842 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,080 Um… 843 00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:36,920 Year one, Tommy, and then Ryan came in year four. 844 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,280 Okay. What do you guys like to do together? 845 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:41,440 What's fun for you? 846 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:43,560 I… I dunno. 847 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,800 Sports, films, music, dancing? What? 848 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:48,920 Just… going into town. 849 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,520 - Hanging out? - Yeah. 850 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,360 Okay. Were you hanging out with them last night? 851 00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,960 - No comment. - What time did you get home? 852 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,200 No comment. 853 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,960 Okay. Okay. I get it now. Everyone's trying to do their job here. 854 00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,080 If you remember rightly, Jamie, 855 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,000 I was the one that suggested you get a solicitor, wasn't I? 856 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:12,440 Yeah. 857 00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,760 All right. May I ask you what you were wearing last night? 858 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,520 I… I don't remember. 859 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,720 Okay. Our scene of the crime officers 860 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,960 didn't find any of your clothes from last night, 861 00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,880 but they think they've managed to find your trainers. 862 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,680 Can you identify these as your trainers? 863 00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,880 Well, it's… it's quite hard in a photo. 864 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,360 Do you own a pair of Nike Air Max in white and blue? 865 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,920 - Yeah. - Thank you. 866 00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:42,280 Were you wearing them last night? 867 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,720 I… I dunno. Maybe. 868 00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:47,280 I don't know. 869 00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,160 Here. 870 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:55,560 Jamie, do you know a girl called Katie Leonard? There she is. 871 00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:57,800 - Yeah. - Yeah? 872 00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,560 She's not in your reg group, is she? 873 00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,120 But you do share some classes. That's right, innit? 874 00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:04,800 - English. - English. 875 00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,760 Top set English. Very good. 876 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,320 Maths and French, you're in set two. 877 00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:12,360 That's good, that. 878 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,000 Do you two get on? 879 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:19,800 - Yeah. - Yeah? 880 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,720 Describe each other as friends, then? 881 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,520 I… I don't… I dunno. 882 00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,680 Well, she occasionally comments on your Instagram posts, 883 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,840 so it's probably a sign that you were, like, friends, right? 884 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,520 I… I dunno. Maybe. 885 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,640 And do you think other people would describe you two as friends? 886 00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,080 What is… is she who's dead, then? 887 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,400 Why would you ask that? Hmm? 888 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:48,760 Is she? 889 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,800 Well, yeah. She is. 890 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,160 And we think you know that. 891 00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:56,360 So it's really clever of you to ask the question if that is the case. 892 00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,440 - Careful, D.I. Bascombe. - Okay, then. 893 00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,600 Tell you what. Describe your friendship to me. 894 00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,000 No comment. 895 00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,160 Right. You seem prepared to talk about your other friendships, but not this one. 896 00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,440 - Can you tell me why? - I think that's pretty clear why. 897 00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:14,920 Yeah, I'm asking Jamie. 898 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,120 We… we knew each other at school, but… not out of school. 899 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,680 Right. And was it a relationship that ever went beyond friendship? 900 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,240 I… I wouldn't even class it as a friendship. 901 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,240 - Were you attracted to her? - No. 902 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,720 Was there anything that could be described as sexual between you? 903 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,600 No, he's 13 years of age. That's a bit strong. 904 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,080 I know. I've gotta ask the question, that's all. 905 00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:46,520 -Can you answer it for me, kid? -No. 906 00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,880 Was it her you were going to see last night? 907 00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:50,720 -Did you go and see her? -No. 908 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,560 See, her parents have told us that she left the house at 8:30 p.m. 909 00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,760 Was she coming to see you, then? 910 00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,480 I… I've just said. We weren't even mates. 911 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,000 - But you did see her? - No, I didn't. 912 00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,280 Okay. Her body was found 913 00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,800 at Crowthers' car park just past 10:30 p.m. 914 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,440 Paramedics arrived at the scene, were unable to stop the bleeding. 915 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,880 It was confirmed that she was killed less than an hour before. 916 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,600 Which means between 9:30 and 10:30 p.m. 917 00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,080 Where were you at that time? 918 00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,680 - I… I don't know. - But you were out? 919 00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:27,560 No comment. 920 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,040 Okay. And if I were to ask your dad 921 00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:30,920 what time you were home, what would he say? 922 00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,920 I was on a call. I'd been in for ten minutes 923 00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,320 when youse kicked me door in. 924 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,680 - And you're not interviewing Mr. Miller. - No. 925 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,040 Were you following her, Jamie? Or… Or were you meeting her there? 926 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,720 - No, neither. - Did you kill her, Jamie? 927 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,360 - No. - You didn't kill her? 928 00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:50,440 No, I didn't. 929 00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,240 You… you've got me confused with someone else. 930 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:54,760 Okay. 931 00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,640 Do you know how many times she was stabbed? 932 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,480 - No. - Seven times. 933 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,480 Seven times, all over. 934 00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:09,600 In her chest. 935 00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,840 Neck. Thigh. Arm. 936 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:16,600 A lot of stabbing. 937 00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,000 Does that upset you? 938 00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:24,320 Of course it does. Look at him. 939 00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:26,440 She's a young girl. 940 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,760 You do know what CCTV is, don't you, Jamie? 941 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,560 Hang on. Hang on. 942 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:36,400 Um, so I think that would be a good opportunity for us to take a break, 943 00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,320 have a private consultation. 944 00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:42,720 Jay? 945 00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:45,840 -Jay, you all right? -Yeah. 946 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,400 - Yeah? - I think we should. 947 00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:51,000 -I'd insist on that. -I know. I don't think it's a good idea. 948 00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,320 'Cause he's told them he's not even a friend. 949 00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:54,760 He doesn't really know her. 950 00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,200 And he's got nothing to hide. So go on. So he's gonna tell you. 951 00:55:58,280 --> 00:55:59,880 - Fine. - Yeah. 952 00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:01,040 - Okay. - Okay. 953 00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:02,800 Okay, so, Jamie, 954 00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:08,320 we've been looking through CCTV images of you and Katie from last night, okay? 955 00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:14,440 We've gone through council footage, local businesses. 956 00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:19,280 What we've managed to do is we've put together a timeline of her movements 957 00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,000 and your movements, okay? 958 00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,280 So this is you, isn't it? In the middle there. 959 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,640 Meadows… Meadows Square, 7:43 p.m. 960 00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:30,600 So that's you. 961 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,320 We can tell it's you. We can see your jumper, your jeans, 962 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,400 the Nike Air Max we just discussed. 963 00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:40,480 And these are your two friends, Tommy, and we think Ryan. We're not too sure. 964 00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,160 You were with them for about an hour, and then you left them. 965 00:56:43,240 --> 00:56:46,360 Then you just wandered around for quite a long time, didn't you? 966 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:50,280 We see you here at the Battered Plaice, 9:02 p.m. 967 00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,920 Got you here passing the library, 9:17 p.m. 968 00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,000 Got you here at the corner of Shetney, 9:43 p.m. 969 00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:59,320 These are you, right? 970 00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:01,640 - All of 'em, yeah? - Yeah. 971 00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:02,560 Good. 972 00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,160 Then, Katie pops up. 973 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:12,000 See, we don't see when you spotted her, but we do see you following her. 974 00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:14,640 Why were you following her, Jamie? 975 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,000 Dad. 976 00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,000 Answer the question, son. 977 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:23,480 I wasn't-- 978 00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:27,160 She's walking past the crossing at 4 Bridge Street at 9:46 p.m. 979 00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,920 You can clearly see that here. Everyone can see that, right? 980 00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,160 And at 9:47 p.m., same place, 981 00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,240 walking in the same direction, is you, Jamie. 982 00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,080 So you were following her. I'll ask you again. 983 00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,960 - Why were you following her? - I wasn't. 984 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,120 - Did she know you were following? - I wasn't. 985 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,400 Is there some sort of problem between you two? 986 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:46,640 - No. - Jamie! 987 00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:48,560 Mate… 988 00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,400 It's not just gonna go away. 989 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,400 You sure you don't wanna tell us what happened? 990 00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,040 You're gonna have to say it sooner or later. 991 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,000 I haven't done anything wrong. 992 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:07,320 Okay. 993 00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,120 I'm now going to play you some footage. 994 00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:16,080 This is of you and Katie from the car park last night 995 00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,360 where a confrontation happened, okay? 996 00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:37,240 Ja… 997 00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:46,440 Jay. 998 00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,640 I think that's enough, okay? 999 00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:54,400 That's where we are. 1000 00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,520 How did you get home without anyone seeing you, Jamie? 1001 00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:10,480 Hmm? 1002 00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,000 You threw away your clothes. 1003 00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,760 We didn't see when it happened, but we know it happened. 1004 00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:19,960 You kept your trainers. 1005 00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:22,960 Too expensive, am I right? 1006 00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,120 There will be blood on those trainers, Jamie. 1007 00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,440 And with this tape as evidence, 1008 00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,280 it's not looking good. 1009 00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,720 Do you want to give us a reason why? 1010 00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:53,240 Hmm? 1011 00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,240 Why would you do something like this? 1012 00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,080 Jamie, do you want to explain? 1013 01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,280 Do you want to say sorry to Katie's mum? 1014 01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,000 Who I had to talk to just past midnight last night, 1015 01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:18,280 while she was sobbing on the floor because her daughter is gone. 1016 01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:22,560 Do you wanna say sorry to her? 1017 01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:37,000 I'm terminating this interview at 7:12 a.m. Let's go. 1018 01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:48,640 I'll give you two a minute. 1019 01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,040 Dad? 1020 01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:16,000 Dad? 1021 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,040 Dad? 1022 01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:25,800 Dad? 1023 01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:42,960 What have you done? 1024 01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,960 What have you done? 1025 01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:57,920 Why? 1026 01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:06,760 Dad, it wasn't me. 1027 01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,320 I've not done anything.